Comments on: Managing Java projects รขโ‚ฌโ€œ A Contradiction? https://technology.amis.nl/2008/02/27/managing-java-projects-a-contradiction/ Friends of Oracle and Java Sat, 01 Aug 2015 11:10:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3 By: Ronald Toonen https://technology.amis.nl/2008/02/27/managing-java-projects-a-contradiction/#comment-5229 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:17:52 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=2893#comment-5229 Nice story Rob!
Maybe this is not only a Java thing. I remember the first Headstart (including CDM-Ruleframe) project after years of experience with designer and forms. We faced similar things as you describe, we also learned a lot……
So in general what can we do as project manager to stay in control when unpredictable tools/techniques are used? As you mentioned the risks grow, but I think the project team changes as well and needs more attention.

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By: Marco Gralike https://technology.amis.nl/2008/02/27/managing-java-projects-a-contradiction/#comment-5228 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:27:09 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=2893#comment-5228 Cool post. Totally dig it as some say nowadays ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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By: Rob Tulleken https://technology.amis.nl/2008/02/27/managing-java-projects-a-contradiction/#comment-5227 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:20:40 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=2893#comment-5227 Exactly my point Andrej; at least one of my points. We can’t stop anybody from dreaming about productivity figures that compete with forms/designer projects. But of course it shouldn’t, as you so rightfully put it, be the only argument in the discussion on whether or not to use certain tools and technologies. That’s why I plea for a different mindset of all involved including account managers, business consultants and the customers. What I don’t want to forget either is that current productivity in Java projects should and could increase. So let’s not compare Java projects with forms/designer projects, but Java projects how they are and how they should be.

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By: Andrej https://technology.amis.nl/2008/02/27/managing-java-projects-a-contradiction/#comment-5226 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:24:50 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=2893#comment-5226 What bothers me is these forms/designer people always comparing productivity of java with the productivity of forms/designer.

It doesn’t really matter if the productivity of java is lower than of forms/designer.

What matters is that your investment is rewarded by a bigger return on investment.

For example: if you’d created amazon.com using forms/designer you would have been finished earlier than when implementing it using java. However, i bet you would have sold a lot less books using webforms amazon.com than using html/java amazon.com.

Ergo: higher productivity can lead to less income. It’s all about investment and return on investment. Absolute productivity doesn’t really matter.

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