Comments on: SAN, SUN and SOA, better run and hide – Likes and dislikes of Anjo Kolk – report of an inspiring AMIS Query on Performance Friends of Oracle and Java Wed, 08 Jul 2015 07:37:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Corne van den Beemd Thu, 17 May 2007 00:54:12 +0000 As a biologist I tend to take an interest in ‘endagerd species’. In my opinion, no problem, JAVA-people understand completely RDBMS-guys and -girls and backwards. All those people just don’t know that quite yet (impedence mismatch or not). It’s more of a psychological issue than a technical issue. The whole problem is solved, as Jan as Hans state indirectly, just by being curious at each others world. I myself for example, an RDBMS-originating-species, see a challenge in trying to understand why JAVA-people are not overwhelmed by the pro’s of relational algebra and set theory and how this is (more or less clumsely) implemented in computational software. So what. The’re just in another universe and are just as eager as I am. They just start of at another viewpoint.

By: Hans Driessen Mon, 14 May 2007 12:32:03 +0000 Would like to react on Jan Vissers’s response:
Guess it all starts with ‘good reading/listening’. If you quote one sentence, then why not two?
” Another endangered species if Anjo gets his way is the Java Developer. Well, in particular the Java developer without a clue when it comes to the database. Who does not know or care about database specifics, about properly dealing with cursors, about trying to perform in the middle tier what the database is very good in or trying to push to the database what the middle tier probably should be doing. ”
So in general ‘we’ database-guys are the ones who will be asked why things suck, and probably along the way ‘stronger/faster hardware’ will be the ultimate solution. After that ‘we’ database-guys are again the ones who will need to describe why all the invested money goes down the drain.
It’s Anjo’s (and my own) opinion that this is not the way to go, but most of the time it does anyway.
I can however fully agree with you on your last remark, “Why can’t we just get along…”
We should, but in most cases it’s merely impossible because the organisation has been devided to ‘DBA-only’ / ‘Developers-only’-areas, and there is no
way to combine the forces.
Let’s take that as a major thing to work from (from both sides), and let’s convince the managemant layer this is the real problem.
“May the force be with (all of) us….”
Hans Driessen (also DBA / Developer / Problem solver / etc. etc.)

By: Jan Vissers. Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:04:28 +0000 Hi Lucas,

"Another endangered species if Anjo gets his way is the Java Developer. …"

Coming from an Oracle RDBMS background myself and actually having invested time in getting to know Java/JEE thoroughly, I’m really getting fed up with Oracle database guys telling the rest of "world" Java/JEE sucks or somehow endangers proper usage of the (Oracle) database. I think it really doesn’t matter for those guys, whether you use Java/JEE, .Net/C#, PHP, RoR – it always will be not good enough. I think this has mainly to do with the fact, that they don’t take the time to fully comprehend any other/new technology than Oracle’s RDBMS, and that’s a shame. C’mon we’ve all seen the examples where database access from Java/JEE (JDBC) is bad, but I’ve got news for those guys. The majority of the Java/JEE community knows about them as well and knows how to circumvent them.

In my opinion it is not really constructive of Java/JEE guys bashing database guys, nor is it the other way around. Why can’t we just get along… 😉


By: Marco Gralike Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:44:24 +0000 Great post, ThX