Comments on: Oracle WebCenter 11g – Foundation for Oracle Fusion Applications and possibly your ADF applications or Enterprise 2.0 Portal as well http://technology.amis.nl/blog/5652/oracle-webcenter-11g-foundation-for-oracle-fusion-applications-and-possibly-your-adf-applications-or-enterprise-20-portal-as-well Weblog for the AMIS Technology corner Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:47:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Balz Schreier http://technology.amis.nl/blog/5652/oracle-webcenter-11g-foundation-for-oracle-fusion-applications-and-possibly-your-adf-applications-or-enterprise-20-portal-as-well/comment-page-1#comment-348533 Balz Schreier Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:30:30 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=5652#comment-348533 Great post! Thanks for sharing this and providing the slides as well. Cheers Balz Great post! Thanks for sharing this and providing the slides as well.

Cheers
Balz

]]> By: Lucas Jellema http://technology.amis.nl/blog/5652/oracle-webcenter-11g-foundation-for-oracle-fusion-applications-and-possibly-your-adf-applications-or-enterprise-20-portal-as-well/comment-page-1#comment-348531 Lucas Jellema Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:20:54 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=5652#comment-348531 Hi Sten,<br /> When assessing new products such as WebCenter 11g you clearly have to work out the added value it has for your particular situation compared to the direct (and indirect) costs. In addition, the mid- and longer term strategy of both your own organization as well as the vendor's organization (Oracle in this case) should be taken into account. The real cost of WebCenter depends on quite a few elements, such as: which WebCenter components do you actually adopt (the number you quote is not the entry level for only WebCenter Services for example). Then the list price may very well be the starting point of negotiations, but attractive discounts are known to be had, especially at this point in time. However, the costs go up again once you start calculating CPUs and environments. And of course the training costs and learning curve / productivity build up need to be taken into account as well. And to what do you compare all this? To building everything WebCenter provides you with from scratch? Chances are of course you will not be using every single piece of functionality WebCenter offers. At the same time, developing and maintaining only a fraction of what WC provides will quickly be more expensive than whatever you will pay for WC. As to strategic outlook from the vendor's perspective: after having seen Fusion Applications in action, it is clear that for Oracle, WebCenter is a strategic product. It basically provides the backbone for Fusion Apps and that is the most important development effort undertaken by Oracle in recent years. In terms of long term investment, WebCenter seems a pretty safe bet. For your own organization's strategy, that of course could be a different story - one I cannot assess. <br /> <br /> I think the price tag is impressive and will be a barrier to rapid and widespread adoption. However, if the approach taken by Fusion Applications is similar to what you envision for your own enterprise application infrastructure and ways of working, it should not be that hard to put together that business case you mention. I would like to help organizations determine whether or not WebCenter will do it for them, and in which way. I am currently involved with two already and I hope there will be more in the near future. <br /><br /> Well anyway, time will tell. Best regards,<br />Lucas Hi Sten,
When assessing new products such as WebCenter 11g you clearly have to work out the added value it has for your particular situation compared to the direct (and indirect) costs. In addition, the mid- and longer term strategy of both your own organization as well as the vendor’s organization (Oracle in this case) should be taken into account. The real cost of WebCenter depends on quite a few elements, such as: which WebCenter components do you actually adopt (the number you quote is not the entry level for only WebCenter Services for example). Then the list price may very well be the starting point of negotiations, but attractive discounts are known to be had, especially at this point in time. However, the costs go up again once you start calculating CPUs and environments. And of course the training costs and learning curve / productivity build up need to be taken into account as well. And to what do you compare all this? To building everything WebCenter provides you with from scratch? Chances are of course you will not be using every single piece of functionality WebCenter offers. At the same time, developing and maintaining only a fraction of what WC provides will quickly be more expensive than whatever you will pay for WC. As to strategic outlook from the vendor’s perspective: after having seen Fusion Applications in action, it is clear that for Oracle, WebCenter is a strategic product. It basically provides the backbone for Fusion Apps and that is the most important development effort undertaken by Oracle in recent years. In terms of long term investment, WebCenter seems a pretty safe bet. For your own organization’s strategy, that of course could be a different story – one I cannot assess.

I think the price tag is impressive and will be a barrier to rapid and widespread adoption. However, if the approach taken by Fusion Applications is similar to what you envision for your own enterprise application infrastructure and ways of working, it should not be that hard to put together that business case you mention. I would like to help organizations determine whether or not WebCenter will do it for them, and in which way. I am currently involved with two already and I hope there will be more in the near future.

Well anyway, time will tell. Best regards,
Lucas

]]> By: seb http://technology.amis.nl/blog/5652/oracle-webcenter-11g-foundation-for-oracle-fusion-applications-and-possibly-your-adf-applications-or-enterprise-20-portal-as-well/comment-page-1#comment-348515 seb Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:46:50 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=5652#comment-348515 Thanks Lucas for the report. Always nice to read you. Can't wait to read your findings on FMW 11g after July 1st. Seb. Thanks Lucas for the report. Always nice to read you.
Can’t wait to read your findings on FMW 11g after July 1st.

Seb.

]]> By: Sten Vesterli http://technology.amis.nl/blog/5652/oracle-webcenter-11g-foundation-for-oracle-fusion-applications-and-possibly-your-adf-applications-or-enterprise-20-portal-as-well/comment-page-1#comment-348512 Sten Vesterli Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:01:49 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=5652#comment-348512 I'll grant that it's a very interesting product. However, at $125000 per CPU, I think it will be fairly hard to make a business case showing an acceptable ROI. I’ll grant that it’s a very interesting product. However, at $125000 per CPU, I think it will be fairly hard to make a business case showing an acceptable ROI.

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