Comments on: Google goes into browsers too – challenging Internet Explorer and Firefox and launching the SaaS VM to really challenge the fat client http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:04:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Andrej http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5448 Andrej Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:00:57 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5448 I agree twice ;-) Once with gartner and once with jan. I do think that if you can use standards like html, css, and javascript, why use flex or silverlight. Unfortunattely regarding graphics flex and silverlight are currently a lot better than html. But usability wise, html is often better implemented. For example, i hardly see flex sites that easily enable you to change font size, but in html this is build into the browser.

]]> By: Jan http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5447 Jan Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:25:58 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5447 “Always nice to see that Gartner agrees with my point of view….” yeah, because Gartner has proven to be right all the time. ;-) Sorry just couldn’t resist.

]]> By: Arjaan http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5446 Arjaan Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:25:35 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5446 Always nice to see that Gartner agrees with my point of view: “The industry impact of Google Chrome will include”… “Reduced interest in non-Ajax rich Internet application technologies and platforms, such as Adobe Flex and Microsoft Silverlight.”.

http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=753441&ref=g_sitelink&ref=g_SiteLink

]]> By: Andrej http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5445 Andrej Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:20:57 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5445 New blogpost on this topic: Client Server 2.0. The current trend is from server generated user interfaces (using jsp and jsf) to javascript generated user interfaces. That why we need new browsers, it’s what’s hosting all those clients. And that’s why jsf is old school, it’s still terminal-server-2.0

]]> By: gary http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5444 gary Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:59:06 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5444 “but for what use is it for Oracle developers”
Depends whether they are Oracle developers using Apex or Oracle developers using JDeveloper.

]]> By: Andrej http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5443 Andrej Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:18:20 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5443 I’ve put my thoughts on this subject in a blogpost: http://www.it-eye.nl/weblog/2008/09/04/sowat-service-oriented-web-application-technology/ (SOWAT – Service Oriented Web Application Technology)

]]> By: Andrej http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5442 Andrej Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:26:18 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5442 Just read this artikle: http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/archives/2008/09/skip_googles_ch.html.
His main point is that the web technologies (html, css and javascript) are turning into great technologies for creating desktop applications. Which is also what adobe is doing with AIR.
And i think he’s right, i really like the web api’s, much more than i like swing api’s for example. It’s not just possible to create complete application using web api’s, they’re also really nice api’s for creating applications.
Even if i could achieve the same results using JSF, i’d probably prefer plain HTML/CSS/Javascript. They’re just so much simpler.
I recenty created a desktop database application using google gears and html/javascript, and i see a real future for html on the desktop.
This makes google chrome’s ‘create a shortcut’, and mozilla’s prism also interesting technologies to keep an eye on.

]]> By: Edwin Biemond http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5441 Edwin Biemond Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:39:52 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5441 Andrej, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt. De applicaties gaan weer in de browser draaien of op de desktop. Het maakt niet meer uit. Flex is nu opensource (AIR) , Java FX is gerealesed and Micky heeft Silverlight uitgebracht. Met tuscany ( SCA Java ) kan vervolgens alles als service beschikbaar gemaakt worden en de applicatie server krijgt het nog gemakkelijker ook, het hoeft alleen de services te hosten. Met Oracle 11g mag je een beste server aanschaffen als je een paar honderd gebruikers wil ondersteunen.

]]> By: Arjaan http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5440 Arjaan Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:08:21 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5440 There are two reasons why I like Flex:

1: you can create really attractive and userfriendly applications with it
2: it runs in a proper virtual machine.

The web wasn’t designed to be a application platform, so browsers aren’t either. Google stepped up and build the browser with that in mind. This is a very importent step for the web. Google isn’t challenging firefox and IE (and opera etc), but challenging Flex and Silverlight.

But as Andrej pointed out above: This chrome thing is all very nice, but for what use is it for Oracle developers? They also want to create desktop like experience on the web.
ADF 11, it is just like Duke Nukem Forever: For years they promise us a great game, but we’re still not able to play it…
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever)

]]> By: luc http://technology.amis.nl/2008/09/03/google-goes-into-browsers-too-challenging-internet-explorer-and-firefox-and-launching-the-saas-vm-to-really-challenge-the-fat-client/#comment-5439 luc Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:43:06 +0000 http://technology.amis.nl/blog/?p=3379#comment-5439 Just a comment on using ADF 11g on Chrome. Last nigth I installed google chrome (Was I the first one ?) and one of the things I did is trying out the ADF 11g rich client demo …………….I was sad (but not so surprised) to find out that this did not work at all. Here we go on support again. What will our clients ask ? Firefox, IE, Opera AND Chrome ?? That will be fun !

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