Comments on: Using ADF without JDeveloper – good insight in the mechanics behind Oracle's Application Development Framework and JSR-227 http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227 Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:04:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Click Here http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1658 Click Here Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:09:39 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1658 Click Here…

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]]> By: Ganesh Iyer http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1654 Ganesh Iyer Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:06:28 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1654 I have used both Eclipse and JDeveloper, and have noticed some seemingly big differences between Eclipse and JDeveloper. First and foremost I thought the only edge Eclipse had over JDeveloper was, it was FREE. Now that JDeveloper is also FREE, time will tell how much the user base is going to tilt. One definite advantage with eclipse is the endless list of Free plug-ins that are available, but let the buyer beware, one needs to be prepared to invest some good amount of time in choosing and configuring the plug-ins and to make them useful in the production environment, this even for features that you absolutely cannot live without.
This brings out another point, JDeveloper comes with all the must-have features which work fine, if not great, but most importantly ADF seems to be the greatest pull for JDeveloper. If ADF is made available as a plugin (even if it was possible, I do not think it will be available in the near future), the equations still would be in favor of JDeveloper for two reasons.
If any PM decides to use ADF for his project, then there are two choices, to use Eclipse with a ADF plugin or to use JDeveloper.

1. With the first approach, efforts are needed in 3 areas: 1. to integrate plugins with Eclipse and to try and make it work in a production environment. 2. And also apply efforts in training the team on ADF 3. and focusing on the real work.

2. Instead if the PM chooses JDeveloper, 1. Train the team on ADF using JDeveloper in the training process, 2. and do the real work.

Oracle seems to have a winner under its belt.
Just my 2 cents.

]]> By: Chris http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1653 Chris Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:57:49 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1653 Agreed. I’m altogether more radical. Oracle is really losing the battle against Eclipse, Intellij, Netbeans et al…. from my point of view any investment in JDeveloper is really is a waste of time. Oracle should jump on the Eclipse bandwagon and provide cool plugins building on their main strength (ADF, Databinding, Database Development etc.) and add a little more Openess ;-) . ADF is a step in the right direction. That would be really a gain for the community as a whole.

]]> By: Lucas http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1652 Lucas Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:31:35 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1652 Yann, I quote agree. It may be that Oracle is not yet decided itself as to what to do. Oracle is one of the principal sponsors of Eclipse – surprising to many, as Eclipse is direct competition for JDeveloper. Providing an ADF plugin for Eclipse would certainly eliminate a substantial portion of the competitive edge JDeveloper may have over vanilla Eclipse. Then again, if Oracle wants to promote ADF, the JSR behind ADF as well as itself in the Java arena, such a plugin may make a lot of sense.

]]> By: Yann R http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1651 Yann R Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:55:55 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1651 That’s a fake pleasure… I can’t believe that ADF will be used under Eclipse if Oracle doesn’t provide any plugin to
use graphical components. The first aim of JSF was to improve the productivity of development for the
presentation layer; glad to see that Oracle (used to be so bad inthe “OO world” regarding to what
they’ve build/bought in application servers area) is the first company which provide a useful pack
of components. I can’t believe no reaction from IBM for next releases of RAD.
But for now, using Eclipse without graphical components seems like coding J2EE app with notepad…

]]> By: Jasper http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1650 Jasper Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:50:06 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1650 This eclipse/jdeveloper issue seems to be a difficult problem: they have to endorse eclipse to some extend (and not look too insincere in the process) to not lose (or gain) the credibility in the java community they want so badly, but because of that the need and demand for jdeveloper is weakened at the same time.. I’m curious what oracle’s thoughts on this are!

]]> By: Jan http://technology.amis.nl/2005/02/02/using-adf-without-jdeveloper-good-insight-in-the-mechanics-behind-oracles-application-development-framework-and-jsr-227/#comment-1649 Jan Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:41:16 +0000 /?p=379#comment-1649 I’m keeping my fingers crossed! This would probably help in getting IBM on board of 227 again. http://jcp.org/en/jsr/results?id=2045
Writing such a plugin shouldn’t be that hard for Oracle, because they’ve already done something similar for Oracle BPEL ;-)

Then again, when Oracle delivers such a plugin – what does this say about their JDeveloper IDE effort?

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